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Florian Schneider April 7, 1947 – April 21, 2020 KRAFTWERK CO-FOUNDER and electronic music pioneer Florian Schneider has died just a few days after his seventy-third birthday. The veteran German group confirmed via a statement that Schneider had passed away following “a short cancer disease”. Along with lead singer/keyboard player Ralf Hütter, Schneider formed Kraftwerk in 1970 and remained a member until 2008. With Schneider playing the synthesiser, vocoder, flute and saxophone, as well as adding backing vocals, in the 70s the pair’s creative partnership produced Kraftwerk’s best-known albums, including Autobahn, Radio-Activity, Trans-Europe Express and The Man-Machine (’78). David Bowie titled the instrumental track V-2 Schneider on his album “Heroes” in honour of Schneider. Once named “the most influential group in pop history”, Kraftwerk helped to give birth to sub-genres…

MY FIRST LOVE Kiss ALIVE! By Alex Winter The Bill & Ted actor on one of rock’s great live double albums. ALEX WINTER: GETTY When I got the script for the first Bill And Ted movie, the thing that struck me was that you had these two guys in high school who were more like elementary schoolers, with this affinity for music and language. It reminded me of being eleven or twelve, having that friend’s older brother who turned you on to Rush. Listening to 2112 in someone’s attic and thinking: “Wow!” I very much identified with the character [Bill], especially the way I was in elementary and middle school. I was obssessed with Kiss when I was ten, eleven, twelve years old – my entry point was the Destroyer,…

THE STORIES BEHIND THE SONGS Mungo Jerry In The Summertime A song that the band didn’t consider to have potential as a single, it was a worldwide hit that soundtracked the summer of 1970. Words: Rob Hughes The Hollywood Music Festival in May 1970 was packed with talent – a bill that included Traffic, Family, Colosseum, Free, Ginger Baker’s Air Force and Black Sabbath – but became known for two things in particular. Held on Staffordshire farmland and attended by 35,000 people, it marked the UK live debut of the Grateful Dead. The other significant event was the appearance of a hitherto unknown band, Mungo Jerry, who would soon define the sound of that summer. “We played late afternoon on the Saturday, just as the sun came out,” recalls banjo…

“IF GIRLS CAME TO OUR SHOWS, GUYS WOULD FOLLOW” Jet’s breakout hit Are You Gonna Be My Girl originally slipped under the radar. Then Apple used the track for an iPod campaign, and since then it’s become a modern rock classic. INTERVIEW: JAMES MCNAIR “I remember trying to evoke the excitement of stuff like The Easybeats, early Stones and early Who,” Jet frontman Nic Cester told Vice in 2017, recalling writing Are You Gonna Be My Girl. “All that early-sixties stuff that I was listening to a lot at the time. We had no clue it would be listened to by so many people. We were just trying to write a rock’n’roll tune that you could dance to.” On that score it was mission accomplished. But Are You Gonna Be…

THE 100 GREATEST SONGS OF THE CENTURY SO FAR! “I BOW DOWN TO THIS SONG” Its release in the aftermath of 9/11 seemed incongrous, but Andrew W.K.’s brilliant upbeat party anthem lifted spirits. INTERVIEW: HENRY YATES / PHOTO: GETTY 30 PARTY HARD Andrew W.K. From: 1 Get Wet, 2001 It’s October 2001. One month has passed since the 9/11 terror attacks on New York. Grief and fury mix like a Molotov cocktail on the streets of America. George W Bush’s war machine rolls into Afghanistan to extract Osama Bin Laden, while back home popular culture is defanged to soothe a raw nation, with a list of 160 ‘lyrically inappropriate songs’ allegedly delivered to US radio stations. The party is over. Andrew W.K. just wasn’t made for those times. His debut…

THE 100 GREATEST SONGS OF THE CENTURY SO FAR! THEY DON’T BITE… DO THEY? No, they don’t. But plenty of punters did, snapping up their records and swiftly catapulting Halestorm into the big time. Words: Polly Glass JOBY SESSIONS “We had covered Skid Row’s Slave To The Grind, and I said to the guys: ‘We need a tempo like that.’” 21 LOVE BITES (SO DO I) Halestorm From: The Strange Case Of…, 2012 They were the ballsy kids that rocked, with a girl who sang and played guitar while her little brother did bonkers things on drums. There was much more to them, of course – fans were aware of that – but Halestorm seemed to be comfortably at a certain level. Then came the 2012 album Strange Case Of…,…

THE 100 GREATEST SONGS OF THE CENTURY SO FAR! TAKING FLIGHT It might have been “a dark song”, but Blackbird lifted Alter Bridge out of a dark period and into the light. 3 BLACKBIRD Alter Bridge From: Blackbird, 2007 “As songwriters, those are the moments you dream of,” Alter Bridge frontman Myles Kennedy has said of the moment he and guitarist Mark Tremonti first listened back to the finished Blackbird – the millennial generation’s brooding, muscular answer to Stairway To Heaven. Their epic anthem, the eight-minute title track of their second album, saw the Florida band emerge from a period of strife with a massive statement of intent. By 2006, relations with their then label Wind-Up Records had soured to the extent that the band wanted out. There followed a…

THE HARD STUFF ALBUMS Dion Blues With Friends KTBA The Wanderer returns in some style on Joe Bonamassa’s label, with all-star backing. Bona fide rock legends are pretty rare these days. Now in his 80th year, Dion DiMucci is one of the last men standing from the golden age of rock’n’roll, a creative force for whom simply being a survivor isn’t enough. Instead he’s continued to progress as the millennium has worn on, releasing a series of blues-rooted albums that bear little resemblance to the records that made him famous back in the late 1950s. Aside from its starry cast, the most remarkable feature of Blues With Friends is Dion’s voice. Suitably weathered by age and experience, it’s hardly gathered rust and has retained its lustrous power and soulful richness.…

Essential Classics Performance: Rockin’ The Fillmore A&M, 1971 One of the greatest live albums ever, this is where to begin – in New York, over two nights in May. Not some ‘greatest hits’ package with audience noise tacked on, this is the real motherfucking deal. Seven monumental tracks over a four-sides of vinyl, with only one original, Stone Cold Fever, and Side 3 and 4 containing one track apiece – the 23-minute I Walk On Gilded Splinters and the 16-minute Rollin’ Stone – this was a standalone masterpiece from a band that only really caught fire on stage. The closing nine-minute tour-de-force I Don’t Need No Doctor will send you straight to hell. Where you’ll be glad. ALAMY Rock On A&M, 1971 Released two months before the Fillmore shows, Pie’s…

Avoid Go For The Throat POLYDOR, 1981 The second of two forgettable 80s ‘comeback’ albums, this one featuring ‘heavy’ covers of the old Elvis hit All Shook Up (where Marriot suffered the indignity of coming off second-best to the much earlier Rod Stewart version as recorded with the Jeff Beck Group) and the old Small Faces hit Tin Soldier (where he suffered the even greater indignity of coming off second-best to his younger self). The cash-in tour that followed sold so badly it was cancelled, and Humble Pie called it a day for the last time. A sad ending to a once great British band. Not least as it’s easy to imagine them having made a successful comeback now.…

Moon Martin October 31, 1945 – May 11, 2020 GETTY x2 OKLAHOMA-BORN SINGER-songwriter John David Martin was awarded his nickname ‘Moon’ due to so many of his compositions including the word ‘moon’ in the lyrics. He began his career as part of a rockabilly band called The Disciples. Having relocated to Los Angeles with the group Southwind, for a very short time Martin was a backing musician for Linda Ronstadt, and it was even reported that he had declined a chance to join the fledgling Eagles. He shared stages with big names including Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix in the 60s, before riding the power-pop wave during the following decade. Martin wrote his best-known song, Bad Case Of Loving You, which was made famous by Robert Palmer, while driving a…

WELCOME BACK Alcatrazz Singer Graham Bonnett revives the band he now says “should have kept going” instead of splitting in ’87. ALCATRAZZ: ALEX SOLCA/PRESS AFTER AN ABSENCE of more than 30 years, Alcatrazz have reunited, with founder members Graham Bonnet (vocals), Jimmy Waldo (keyboards) and Gary Shea (bass) now joined by Joe Stump (guitar) and Mark Benquechea (drums). The band’s new album, Born Innocent, their first since 1986’s Dangerous Games, showcases the sort of muscular, sweeping melodic style that first got everyone’s attention in the early 80s. It also features guest appearances from guitarists including Steve Vai (who played on Alcatrazz’s 1985 album Disturbing The Peace), Bob Kulick and Chris Impelliteri. Bonnet explains what brought Alcatrazz back into action. What prompted you to bring Alcatrazz back? I’ve no bloody idea.…

WELCOME BACK Chuck Prophet The former Green On Red man worries about the world, and also about his mum reading his biography. CHUCK PROPHET: LAUREN TABAK/PRESS GET OFF THE Stage, the final song on American singer-songwriter Chuck Prophet’s fourteenth solo album, The Land That Time Forgot, is a wry yet scathing takedown of the White House’s current occupant. No names are mentioned, but it’s fairly clear who lines such as ‘You’re an obstruction in democracy’s bowel’ are aimed at. “I’ve been playing it on my solo tour, and I’ve had some people walk out,” says Prophet, who rose to prominence with 80s alt.country rockers Green On Red. “I’ve been pretty delighted by that.” What does the title The Land That Time Forgot refer to? I guess it’s a portrait of our…

THE 100 GREATEST SONGS OF THE CENTURY SO FAR! HIS SATANIC MAJESTY How Ghost’s Tobias Forge built a world around a myth, and reaped a gleeful “pure eighties rock-club banger”. INTERVIEW: MERLIN ALDERSLADE. ADDITIONAL TEXT: POLLY GLASS “Instead of just doing big, blunt commercial statements, I’m trying to do things in a more cinematic way.” 39 DANCE MACABRE Ghost From: Prequelle, 2018 “What I’ve tried to do is make Ghost a little more Queen than AC/DC,” Tobias Forge says, of the ambitious menagerie of sounds of his band’s 2018 album Prequelle. “I don’t mind a good rock banger at all, but with Ghost every song has to have its own clear idea and structure. What I expanded on in Infestissumam and Meliora was that a Ghost song is not necessarily…

THE 100 GREATEST SONGS OF THE CENTURY SO FAR! THE END OF AN ERA? (OR GOING OUT ON A HIGH?) If you’re going to end it, then end it on a high. Inside Black Sabbath’s crowning career-end masterpiece, in their own words. 26 GOD IS DEAD? Black Sabbath From: 13, 2013 “God Is Dead? was Ozzy’s title,” Geezer Butler says. “I wanted to call that song ‘American Jihad’. Ozzy was going: “Jihad? We’ll get assassinated if we say that!” But that’s what the song is about – a religious fanatic that sets out to prove that God isn’t dead. He’s read people – philosophers, communists – saying God is dead, and he wants to prove them wrong. To be honest, I thought ‘American Jihad’ is less likely to get us…

THE 100 GREATEST SONGS OF THE CENTURY SO FAR! BACK FROM THE BRINK Green Day ’s great ‘resurrection’ track, American Idiot brought old fans back on board and pulled in millions of new ones. Words: Henry Yates GETTY “Rock’n’roll is supposed to be dangerous. That’s where we come from.” 15 AMERICAN IDIOT Green Day From: American Idiot, 2004 At the time they recorded American Idiot, Green Day were finished, washed-up, done. The California trio could still fill a room on the fumes from 1994’s Dookie, an album that had chimed with a rock scene that needed cheering up after Kurt Cobain’s suicide and grunge’s death rattle. But creatively and commercially it had been a long decade’s downturn, capped by the ignominy, on 2002’s Pop Disaster Tour, of Billie Joe Armstrong,…

THE 100 GREATEST SONGS OF THE CENTURY SO FAR! “WHAM BAM THANK YOU MA’AM” It’s hard to single out one great song from a band who have so many classics. Thankfully this one picks itself. Words: Paul Elliott 2 ROCK N ROLL TRAIN AC/DC From: Black Ice, 2008 It was a song good enough to have been on AC/DC’s all-conquering Back In Black, and it’s on the last of the studio albums recorded by the Back In Black line-up. Rock N Roll Train also has the distinction of being one of only two songs recorded after 1981’s For Those About To Rock to remain in AC/DC’s live set after a first touring cycle, the other being the mighty Thunderstruck. And in a long-running tradition of great AC/DC songs with ‘rock’n’roll’…

THE HARD STUFF ALBUMS Vega Grit Your Teeth FRONTIERS That difficult sixth album – sometimes very different, sometimes the same, always good. Adecade on from their debut album, and two years after their well-received Only Human continued what has generally been acclaimed as an upward trajectory for the band, Vega deliver their sixth. Since that last album they’ve expanded to a six-piece line-up with Martin Hutchison replacing Dan Chantrey as drummer and their live guitar-and-backing-vocals sideman ‘MyKey’ Kew joining full-time. Kicking things off, Blind and (I Don’t Need) Perfection are fine openers, the former in particular boasting a tougher, almost Guns N’ Roses sound, presumably in support of their stated intention to shrug off the “AOR/1980s throwback” labels they feel hold them back. Singer Nick Workman pleaded to listeners: “Don’t…

ROUND-UP: BLUES By Henry Yates Victor Wainwright & The Train Memphis Loud RUF Victor Wainwright’s second album plays like 12 postcards thrown from the cabin of a hijacked Old West locomotive. A larger-than-life character, with his fingers on the ley lines of American roots, the hirsute piano man hammers the old black and whites with a joyous propulsion matched by his virtuoso band. Listen to openers Mississippi and Walk The Walk and you can’t help but fall in step with the push/pull soul groove, while the easy-come, ad-libbed chemistry suggests they’d have let the studio janitor honk a saxophone. This coast-to-coast journey has its moments of hardship. Sing turfs us out in New Orleans for a spooky gang-chant in a haunted jazz cellar; the wistful America wonders where Wainwright’s musical motherland…

THE HARD STUFF STUFF BOOKS & DVDs London’s Lost Music Venues Paul Talling DAMAGED GOODS Fascinating and depressing procession of vanished seminal niteries. One conversation topic guaranteed to get memories flowing and hackles raised is those pubs, clubs and halls where so many life-changing gigs took place that have since fallen to the wrecking ball or homogenised gentrification. Walking-tour guide Paul Talling, author of books on London’s lost rivers and derelict ruins, examines the fate of venues that were often as loved and vital as the bands they hosted. Often shocking is the flagrant disregard for historical significance shown by owners or developers for venues that often deserved listed status for the cultural history that manifested within their walls. With the book divided into sections, Talling begins his potted histories…

Superior Reputation cementing As Safe As Yesterday Is IMMEDIATE, 1969 Humble Pie’s most broadspectrum album was actually their debut. Rock, blues, folk, mod… You can still hear the Small Faces influence: the rustic, semiacoustic Growing Closer was written by SF keyboardist Ian McLagan, who rehearsed with Pie before joining the reconfigured Faces; the Marriottonly-credited Bang! and What You Will were originally credited to Marriott and SF bassist Ronnie Lane, and recorded months earlier by ‘French Elvis’ Johnny Halliday. Delights include the Steppenwolf cover Desperation and the epic Frampton and Marriott demi-title track As Safe As Yesterday. Town And Country IMMEDIATE, 1969 Released just months after their debut, the second Humble Pie album was an unexpected departure – and way ahead of the curve that would find everyone from Rod Stewart…

Bob Kulick January 16, 1950 – May 29, 2020 GETTY x2 A “HEARTBROKEN” FORMER Kiss guitarist Bruce Kulick has revealed the passing of his elder brother Bob, the guitarist whose playing graced albums by Kiss, Meat Loaf, W.A.S.P., Michael Bolton, Lou Reed and Diana Ross, among many others. No cause of death has so far been confirmed for the 70-year-old. Kulick was one of the first bald hard rockers to find fame. The New Yorker auditioned for Kiss in 1972, and despite losing out to Ace Frehley he added uncredited solos to many of their albums including Unmasked, Killers, Alive II and Creatures Of The Night, and also played on Paul Stanley’s self-titled solo debut in 1978. Kulick was a member of cult AOR act Balance, and during the 90s…

the DIRT HIGH HOPES 1000mods Introducing the Greek band born of 90s grunge, 70s rock and some “really f**ked-up shit”. “Music is the only thing that we like doing. This is what we have to do.” DANI G HAS been listening to the likes of Soundgarden, Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam for most of his life. He never imagined, though, that one day he’d be recording on their home turf. “Just being there, in the space where Chris Cornell recorded, or Jerry Cantrell, or Layne Staley, it was amazing!” the singer/bassist recalls of the month 1000mods spent recording their new album, Youth Of Dissent, in Seattle’s Litho and London Bridge Studios. Since forming in 2006, 1000mods have cultivated a taut yet tearaway sound that falls somewhere between Soundgarden and…

the DIRT HIGH HOPES These Wicked Rivers A southern rock band from Derby, with a Floyd influence thrown in, they’re ready to flow. “We’re heavy and quite southern-sounding.” ON THE MORNING that Classic Rock talks to Arran Day, his band These Wicked Rivers should have been setting the satnav for Coventry, where they were due to be playing the opening show of a British tour with Ryders Creed. Covid-19 has of course torpedoed that. After spending six years getting this far, the guitarist acknowledges that it’s a disastrous time to release their debut album, Eden, yet he remains surprisingly upbeat. “Hopefully we’ll be out there again soon,” he says, smiling. With influences including Lynyrd Skynyrd, Blackfoot, Black Stone Cherry, Clutch, Crobot and Cream, These Wicked Rivers play a style of…

6 THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT… Ashley McBryde The ‘kindness first, but take no crap’ country rocker might be shy, but you’d best not piss her off – especially if there’s a shovel around. Words: Polly Glass ALYSSE GAFKJEN/PRESS “I’VE BEEN DOING a lot of TV, which hasn’t been good for my brain,” says Ashley McBryde, guiltily, of her lockdown thus far, “but yesterday I started reading a book on Tammy Wynette called Tragic Country Queen. And I’ve gone back to records like [The Brothers Osborne’s] Port Saint Joe.” Raised in Arkansas and now based in Tennessee, the Grammy-nominated country rock singer-guitarist has just released her fourth album, Never Will, a moreish mix of roots, heartland rock’n’roll and tales of human nature. Think Loretta Lynn and Lucinda Williams drinking…

THE 100 GREATEST SONGS OF THE CENTURY SO FAR! “WE’RE STILL HUNGRY” Inside Marillion’s latter-day masterpiece, and the standout cut that made our Top 100. INTERVIEW: RICH WILSON 65 LIVING IN FEAR Marillion From: F.E.A.R, 2016 Most bands don’t sound this urgent, ambitious or just plain good by the time they get to their eighteenth album. Then again, Marillion are not most bands, and Living In Fear is not your average politically charged progressive anthem. “We’re successful enough and have enough resources to be able to do exactly what we want, but we’re not so successful that we can do fucking nothing,” keyboard player Mark Kelly reasoned at the time. “We’re still hungry.” If you believe the maxim ‘longer is better’, you’ll be happy to hear that three of the…

WTF? Bat-shit moments from this century so far. Words: Polly Glass QUESTIONABLE COVERS Who can forget Black Label Society taking Procol Harum’s 60s classic A Whiter Shade Of Pale to places it had never seen – and should never have seen? Or Children Of Bodom’s take on Britney Spears’ Oops!… I Did It Again (Children Of Bodom + Britney Spears – there’s a reason why those names look wrong together), or Limp Bizkit creating new depths of aural atrocity with their take on The Who’s Behind Blue Eyes? But nothing in the realm of oh-no-they-didn’t/oh-shit-they-did car-crash covers can hold a candle to Celine Dion and Anastacia’s You Shook Me All Night Long. Remember that one? Thought you’d suppressed it from your mind for good? Yeah, us too. Sorry to bring…

THE 100 GREATEST SONGS OF THE CENTURY SO FAR! “IT’LL PAY FOR OUR RETIREMENT” The lyrics were born of an argument, and two missing beats cost them five grand, but the heartbreak and money proved worth it. 22 HOW YOU REMIND ME Nickelback From: Silver Side Up, 2001 Before How You Remind Me was released in 2001, Nickelback were more perspiration than inspiration. They hadn’t yet won the tag of ‘Most Inexplicably Hated Rock Band Of All Time’ tag, either. Up until that point the five-piece had released two unremarkable albums, and pushed them to moderate sales with a punishing tour schedule. But while the band’s work ethic and live prowess was impressive, their albums had yet to infiltrate suburbia and the world at large. The song itself began with…

THE 100 GREATEST SONGS OF THE CENTURY SO FAR! LIKE CLOCKWORK Caravan’s parent album was the record that changed a lot of people’s minds about not liking Rush. 6 CARAVAN Rush From: Clockwork Angels, 2012 When Rush’s Clockwork Angels album was released in 2012, few suspected it would turn out to be the band’s final album, not least because it sounded like the work of a group that still had plenty of fuel in the tank. But what a way to close out a quite remarkable career. A muscular yet intricate concept record, it included some stone-cold classics, led by the incendiary, one-two punch of Caravan. If you didn’t ‘get’ Rush before, this was likely to be the track that converted you. For a band who often revelled in the…

THE 100 GREATEST SONGS OF THE CENTURY SO FAR! THE POWER OF LOVE Some songs are so unique that they occupy their own space, outside of time and place. The Darkness’s I Believe In A Thing Called Love is one of them. Words: Henry Yates CAMERA PRESS / NICK WILSON “I don’t think I Believe In A Thing Called Love has ever really sat well with what’s contemporary. It’s just its own thing.”Justin Hawkins 1 I BELIEVE IN A THING CALLED LOVE The Darkness From: Permission To Land, 2003 From the first spin of I Believe In A Thing Called Love, it was clear that here was a song to go the distance. Back in September 2003, The Darkness’s signature tune was instant, heroic, effervescent and just the right side…

ROUND-UP: MELODIC ROCK By Dave Ling CHAMPLIN WILLIAMS FRIESTEDT/PRESS Champlin Williams Friestedt CWF II BLACK LODGE Due largely to Joseph Williams’s commitments as lead singer of Toto, it took Champlin Williams Friestedt – completed by Bill Champlin and Peter Friestedt – five long years to follow a self-titled debut that caused fans of West Coast AOR to go weak at the knees. Champlin spent almost three decades with Chicago, crooning many of their biggest smashes including Hard Habit To Break, while despite being a Swedish passport holder, two LA Project albums bestowed honorary metaphorical Green Card status upon guitarist/producer Friestedt. With a heady mix of wonderfully saccharine anthems such as All That I Want, and sumptuous ballads, CWF II resumes where its predecessor quit. Son of Star Wars composer John, Joseph…

THE HARD STUFF ALBUMS Paul Weller On Sunset POLYDOR Songs from the Twilight Zone. The last time one looked, Paul Weller was a sixty-something geezer with a grown-out shaggy mod feather cut: elder statesman chasing that elixir of youth we’d all love to bottle. His latest studio album, available as everything from humble cassette to extra-tracks deluxe package, attempts to balance that artistic conundrum where age-related wisdom meets the refusal to stagnate. Opener Mirror Ball sets the scene: a piano flourish bookends a piece that spins from toughened MOR to experimental discotheque, with Ernie Isley-style guitar and a female chorale meshed by Weller’s ever-confident vocal range. The gospeldriven Baptiste aims at higher ground. This breath of New Orleans funk and Bobby Bland testifying suggests Weller’s been paying the Horsell Evangelical…

THE HARD STUFF BUYER’S GUIDE Humble Pie Never able to capture on record the punch and power of their live shows, their catalogue nevertheless includes some real gems. History recalls them as the runt of the litter. In their prime they were considered to be one of the greatest live acts in the world, but they never quite captured that energy and excitement on record, and thus got left behind in the Great British Rock Boom of the late 60s and early 70s. Yet Humble Pie bestrode the era with a confidence and swagger that few could match. The band formed in 1969 around 22-year-old former Small Faces singer/guitarist Steve Marriott and 19-year-old former pretty-boy guitarist-singer with The Herd, Peter Frampton, augmented by previously unknown 17-year-old drummer Jerry Shirley and…

Good Worth exploring Eat It A&M, 1973 With the band having spent most of the previous year touring America, Eat It was recorded on the hoof, a fact belied by the scale of its ambition. Another vinyl double, side one comprised four Marriott-penned rockers, exemplified by Get Down To It; side two, four soul covers, including the brilliant Black Coffee (even better than the Ike & Tina Turner original); side three, four more Marriott originals, this time all-acoustic; side four, three live numbers recorded in Glasgow, including a Honky Tonk Women that would make Mick Jagger cry. In truth, variable quality made it – literally – too much. Nobody complained, though. But it was their last big hit. Thunderbox A&M, 1974 It wasn’t all downhill from here, although it sure…